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	<description>Embracing Weirdness</description>
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		<title>By: otaking</title>
		<link>http://projectotaking.com/2009/06/02/iv-sleeping-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>otaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 01:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See? Trek otaku aren&#039;t stupid, so it&#039;s a good thing they&#039;ve stopped treated us that way with the new movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See? Trek otaku aren&#8217;t stupid, so it&#8217;s a good thing they&#8217;ve stopped treated us that way with the new movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Jie</title>
		<link>http://projectotaking.com/2009/06/02/iv-sleeping-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Jie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny you should mention that, because the Star Trek fans in that forum said that that was one of the better Voyager episodes. And then it was retconned. XD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you should mention that, because the Star Trek fans in that forum said that that was one of the better Voyager episodes. And then it was retconned. XD</p>
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		<title>By: otaking</title>
		<link>http://projectotaking.com/2009/06/02/iv-sleeping-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>otaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. There was a story arc that was billed as the Year of Hell that was highly anticipated (even by me), promising to put Voyager and its crew through the wringer. Not only was it compressed into 2 episodes, but it was turned into an averted alternate timeline. I mean what the hell. At least DS9 had the balls to stick with the Dominion War once it got started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. There was a story arc that was billed as the Year of Hell that was highly anticipated (even by me), promising to put Voyager and its crew through the wringer. Not only was it compressed into 2 episodes, but it was turned into an averted alternate timeline. I mean what the hell. At least DS9 had the balls to stick with the Dominion War once it got started.</p>
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		<title>By: Jie</title>
		<link>http://projectotaking.com/2009/06/02/iv-sleeping-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Jie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I like Deep Space Nine better than Voyager.&quot;

Don&#039;t worry, you&#039;re not alone. The people in this one forum I go to also hated Voyager. As Battlestar Galactica writer Ron Moore said:

&quot;The premise has a lot of possibilities. Before it aired, I was at a convention in Pasadena, and Sternbach and Okuda were on stage, and they were answering questions from the audience about the new ship. It was all very technical, and they were talking about the fact that in the premise this ship was going to have problems. It wasn’t going to have unlimited sources of energy. It wasn’t going to have all the doodads of the Enterprise. It was going to be rougher, fending for themselves more, having to trade to get supplies that they want. That didn’t happen. It doesn’t happen at all, and it’s a lie to the audience. I think the audience intuitively knows when something is true and something is not true. Voyager is not true. If it were true, the ship would not look spic-and-span every week, after all these battles it goes through. How many times has the bridge been destroyed? How many shuttlecrafts have vanished, and another one just comes out of the oven? That kind of bullshitting the audience I think takes its toll. At some point the audience stops taking it seriously, because they know that this is not really the way this would happen. These people wouldn’t act like this.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I like Deep Space Nine better than Voyager.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry, you&#8217;re not alone. The people in this one forum I go to also hated Voyager. As Battlestar Galactica writer Ron Moore said:</p>
<p>&#8220;The premise has a lot of possibilities. Before it aired, I was at a convention in Pasadena, and Sternbach and Okuda were on stage, and they were answering questions from the audience about the new ship. It was all very technical, and they were talking about the fact that in the premise this ship was going to have problems. It wasn’t going to have unlimited sources of energy. It wasn’t going to have all the doodads of the Enterprise. It was going to be rougher, fending for themselves more, having to trade to get supplies that they want. That didn’t happen. It doesn’t happen at all, and it’s a lie to the audience. I think the audience intuitively knows when something is true and something is not true. Voyager is not true. If it were true, the ship would not look spic-and-span every week, after all these battles it goes through. How many times has the bridge been destroyed? How many shuttlecrafts have vanished, and another one just comes out of the oven? That kind of bullshitting the audience I think takes its toll. At some point the audience stops taking it seriously, because they know that this is not really the way this would happen. These people wouldn’t act like this.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: managarmr</title>
		<link>http://projectotaking.com/2009/06/02/iv-sleeping-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>managarmr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So they mocked us when they needed to feel better about themselves. They would still watch and read and listen to stuff made by enthusiasts who cared about their craft more than looking normal. They still consumed otaku products. They watched stuff by J.J. Abrams and Joss Whedon and enjoyed the new surge of movies based on comic books and science fiction and fantasy stories. They wanted more of our stuff.&quot;

Sides are shifting now as I often find myself explaining to other people about the &#039;geek stuff&#039; I&#039;m into. Some are genuinely curious/interested, while others are happy to find someone who can actually openly relate to some of the other niche things they are also into.

Funny thing though, that the ones I know who do heckle (the bad kind) at the geekiness of other people can be counted as geeks themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So they mocked us when they needed to feel better about themselves. They would still watch and read and listen to stuff made by enthusiasts who cared about their craft more than looking normal. They still consumed otaku products. They watched stuff by J.J. Abrams and Joss Whedon and enjoyed the new surge of movies based on comic books and science fiction and fantasy stories. They wanted more of our stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sides are shifting now as I often find myself explaining to other people about the &#8216;geek stuff&#8217; I&#8217;m into. Some are genuinely curious/interested, while others are happy to find someone who can actually openly relate to some of the other niche things they are also into.</p>
<p>Funny thing though, that the ones I know who do heckle (the bad kind) at the geekiness of other people can be counted as geeks themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: idle.eidolon</title>
		<link>http://projectotaking.com/2009/06/02/iv-sleeping-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>idle.eidolon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 07:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In my efforts to whitewash myself of the loser-geek image I thought I had, I reduced myself to a bad imitation of what I thought a normal person was like.&quot;

followed by...

&quot;And I noticed another thing too — normal people were desperately trying to adopt geek characteristics in order to seem cool and edgy.&quot;

Ouchies. I guess we all just want to belong. Or be better than most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In my efforts to whitewash myself of the loser-geek image I thought I had, I reduced myself to a bad imitation of what I thought a normal person was like.&#8221;</p>
<p>followed by&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;And I noticed another thing too — normal people were desperately trying to adopt geek characteristics in order to seem cool and edgy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ouchies. I guess we all just want to belong. Or be better than most.</p>
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		<title>By: otaking</title>
		<link>http://projectotaking.com/2009/06/02/iv-sleeping-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>otaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there! Thanks for dropping by!

Yeah, when I visited Japan (briefly, certainly not long enough to soak in the culture enough), I noticed that unlike what most local otaku think, Japan is not the land of anime. Anime is a small subculture in a complex culture.

Also, actual Japanese otaku are... kind of scary. :D

I&#039;m no expert on the subject myself, but I&#039;m going to post about my visit very soon, told from the perspective of a wannabe who didn&#039;t even know what merchandise a &#039;proper&#039; otaku would buy :D Stay tuned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there! Thanks for dropping by!</p>
<p>Yeah, when I visited Japan (briefly, certainly not long enough to soak in the culture enough), I noticed that unlike what most local otaku think, Japan is not the land of anime. Anime is a small subculture in a complex culture.</p>
<p>Also, actual Japanese otaku are&#8230; kind of scary. <img src='http://projectotaking.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m no expert on the subject myself, but I&#8217;m going to post about my visit very soon, told from the perspective of a wannabe who didn&#8217;t even know what merchandise a &#8216;proper&#8217; otaku would buy <img src='http://projectotaking.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  Stay tuned!</p>
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		<title>By: magnetic_rose</title>
		<link>http://projectotaking.com/2009/06/02/iv-sleeping-with-the-enemy/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>magnetic_rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m gonna go off-tangent here a tad and share a small observation i made in my short stint as a college student and minimum-wage slave in tokyo: as much as they love geeky stuff and can get really hardcore when they&#039;re together as a group, the real japanese fans don&#039;t make it a point to broadcast their weirdness to all and sundry (ie the ippanjin). 

perhaps due to contact to them i happen to share that same point of view, so i understand a little the thought processes behind what you think is a dual existence. i do not see it as &quot;a betrayal of your geekhood&quot;; everyone has every right to try and fit in with society, but at the end of the day if giant transforming robots are still your thing, then go right ahead and enjoy it alongside your &quot;normalcy&quot;. 

i personally would never accuse you of being a sell-out. and if somebody ever did, well -- they are the ones who need a little more growing up to do. 

thanks for dropping by the blog often. i hope to hear from you again soon. cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m gonna go off-tangent here a tad and share a small observation i made in my short stint as a college student and minimum-wage slave in tokyo: as much as they love geeky stuff and can get really hardcore when they&#8217;re together as a group, the real japanese fans don&#8217;t make it a point to broadcast their weirdness to all and sundry (ie the ippanjin). </p>
<p>perhaps due to contact to them i happen to share that same point of view, so i understand a little the thought processes behind what you think is a dual existence. i do not see it as &#8220;a betrayal of your geekhood&#8221;; everyone has every right to try and fit in with society, but at the end of the day if giant transforming robots are still your thing, then go right ahead and enjoy it alongside your &#8220;normalcy&#8221;. </p>
<p>i personally would never accuse you of being a sell-out. and if somebody ever did, well &#8212; they are the ones who need a little more growing up to do. </p>
<p>thanks for dropping by the blog often. i hope to hear from you again soon. cheers!</p>
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